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aaw749r
Apr 15th, 2008, 03:17 PM
I just received this rear sprocket from Vortex and it has serious issues. I was under the impression that they were a quality manufacturer. Did I just get the 1 in 1000 or is this typical. Out of the package there are 3 teeth missing as they ran off of the material while machining, there are 8 teeth that are unnacceptable due to either rough & choppy or incomplete machining , and the bevel is unequal from inside to outside. 11 bad out of 43, that is not a good percentage.

A Ninja Boot
Apr 15th, 2008, 03:56 PM
Wow! time to call them up and make them send you a new one.

Calkidd
Apr 15th, 2008, 04:02 PM
I wouldn't call it junk, but more of a affordable item.

With the torque your duc is making I would go with another manufacturer. Try Driven or Sprocket Specialties.

GSXR888
Apr 15th, 2008, 04:29 PM
I wouldn't call it junk, but more of a affordable item.

With the torque your duc is making I would go with another manufacturer. Try Driven or Sprocket Specialties.

+1 to what Calkid said. Their sliders and levers are ok , but they do have alot of customer complaints on broken teeth, and poor quality. I think they use aluminum instead of steel on their sprockets to save weight. Renthals are another good company for sprockets. You should definatly send those back, and maybe go with another company.


CBR888

Calkidd
Apr 15th, 2008, 04:32 PM
I forgot to mention I have had two sets on my 929 and I have good luck with no broken teeth. You might want to check your rear wheel alignment and make sure your rear wheel is straight. They will typically last about 8000-10,000 miles depending how hard you ride.

aaw749r
Apr 15th, 2008, 05:26 PM
Thanks for the input. I've allready contacted the supplier and they are contacting Vortex to replace it directally. As for high torque, not super high at 55lb/ft, but I do a lot of clutchless shifting which is not easy on anything. I know that you typically get what you pay for but I expected to get something at least useable.

CRASH972
Apr 15th, 2008, 06:42 PM
Now you guys have me a little concerned, :o
I've got a 520 kit ordered and it has vortec sprockets.

I ran a renthal on my Z1R and it didn't last. :mad:

yoageallen
Apr 15th, 2008, 06:55 PM
your saying it was bad out of the box?

tripleplay6543
Apr 15th, 2008, 07:19 PM
Now you guys have me a little concerned, :o
I've got a 520 kit ordered and it has vortec sprockets.

I ran a renthal on my Z1R and it didn't last. :mad:

I just counted 7 broken teeth on my renthal the other day... ordered a new 520 conversion kit with RK Gold, and Vortex sprockets.

aaw749r
Apr 15th, 2008, 09:01 PM
Yes, this pic is straight out of the package. For starters the material was not "zeroed" on the milling machine as they ran off the edge of the square "balnk" that they started with. That is the straight portion affecting 3 consecutive teeth in the picture. On top of this the side bevel is greatly different from one side to the other. As well there were a couple of teeth not completely finished and others with rough machining.

I hope the replacement is better.

Who is a good reputable supplier with a wide selection for things like sprockets and chains? I am going to look elsewhere too.

Calkidd
Apr 15th, 2008, 09:26 PM
Oh so it is not so much as if it is junk it was an issue with quality control.

GusGus748s
Apr 16th, 2008, 03:23 PM
Renthals or STM (STM the best) pricey but awesome products for Ducati :D

STM is what I ran on my Ducs....I miss her:(

aaw749r
Apr 16th, 2008, 04:44 PM
Oh so it is not so much as if it is junk it was an issue with quality control.

If there is no quality controll or they sell an unuseable product I consider it JUNK!

If I were to let something out of my shop in this condition I'd give the person their money back and a good unit in an attempt to regain my reputation. On a part that is manufactured on CNC equipment like this it is not just one time thing. Every identical part that was run on this set up is exactally the same as this one, flat spot, bad teeth, unequal bevel and all. There are hundreds on this same bad part floating around out there and if you don't closely inspect it you are not going to see it. Customer service and craftsmanship seems to be dying and everyone is getting very complacent and I hate it.

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR:mad::mad::mad:

ducbill996
Apr 16th, 2008, 06:06 PM
STM for me too

ridEM636
Apr 16th, 2008, 06:34 PM
I tried Driven and was not personally happy with it. I currently have sprocket specialists sprockets on.

GreeNug
Apr 17th, 2008, 02:17 AM
I have about 2600 miles on my Vortex rear sprocket and it is wearing much better than I thought it would! They are one of the more "affordable" sprockets and aluminum so I really expected my 1 liter tire eater to rip through it pretty quick like. It looks like I should get at least another rear tire out of it or 2400-2800 miles.

The sprocket that you got was totally unacceptable, I hope you don't have too much trouble setting it straight. I was down @ cycle queer 2-night and saw the row of Vortex sprockets and thought of this thread :eek:. I looked at almost everyone of them there and they all looked good, I was hoping to find a chingered up one though I must admit :p

GreeNug
Apr 17th, 2008, 02:23 AM
Oh ya, I have also heard that it is important to use a chain alignment tool as you install your back tire for max life when using an aluminum sprocket. Even the slightest bit of misalignment can eat them up I guess. They're fairly cheap thou and you can borrow mine if ya need it. :D

http://www.motosport.com/street/product/CHAIN-ALIGNMENT-TOOL/?prodId=215058&page=2&c=809479%7C834841

aaw749r
Apr 18th, 2008, 12:23 PM
I just got off the phone with the MOTOWHEELS rep and Vortex is sending me another sprocket from their facility in Florida. If Vortex is hand picking the sprocket for me it should be perfect, I Hope! I'll keep you posted.

Calkidd
Apr 19th, 2008, 08:16 AM
How many miles do you have on that sprocket?

aaw749r
Apr 21st, 2008, 09:47 AM
How many miles do you have on that sprocket?
ZERO - out of the box looking like this

aaw749r
May 5th, 2008, 04:43 PM
Vortex sent me a replacemnt directally from thier facility. It is in much better condition than the origional I received. It is not a finly machined billet jewl, but it will function properly It will do just what I expect it to - convert chain tension propigated by the positive roataion of the front sprocket into a rotational force about the rear axle in a ratio of 43/14 (3.0714) of the supplied input torque of the front sprocket.

Calkidd
May 5th, 2008, 04:56 PM
Vortex sent me a replacemnt directally from thier facility. It is in much better condition than the origional I received. It is not a finly machined billet jewl, but it will function properly It will do just what I expect it to - convert chain tension propigated by the positive roataion of the front sprocket into a rotational force about the rear axle in a ratio of 43/14 (3.0714) of the supplied input torque of the front sprocket.
WERD

volcom415
May 5th, 2008, 11:32 PM
I have never seen that from them...at least brand new:D

I dont think they are junk, but there are items that I will always buy from them...REARSETS one of the best hands down...All I care about is grip of the peg, adjustability, and crashability.


The frame sliders eh, I like intuitive, woodcraft, sato...
Levers well, they look good....another option is ASV

The sprockets...eh
I would go with AFAM, Renthal, or sprocket specialists personally.

I like JT for steel stuff though.