What to expect at a track day with TrackDaz

[KARRDICK]

When you go to a track day. This is what you can expect to get.

First you brings your choice of weapon.
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And you get to hand out with good friends.
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You can expect to get this awesome entry bracelet.
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And you get this killer sticker.
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Then you get to do a lot of this.
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And then at the end of the day, you get this big smile to show for the awesomeness.
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I had a consistent pace. Great day to do some dicing.
YouTube - WSIR 05.03.09 Session 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRsayrLIP6Q)

YouTube - WSIR 05.03.09 Session 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxp7odsdO78)

Careful of the black flag. I got one for violating.

[Blakester]

Damn bro, that's jacked up you ran into that dude and made him crash. :( Remind me not to ride near you..LOL

[Wile_E_Coyote]

Twas a great day pho sho! Thanks again to Trackdaz for putting on a good day. The wind was hella strong, but it was all good. The only real downer was a red flag in each of the first four B group sessions. I gotta get my butt in A group! Thanks Dan, Houa and Brian. You guys rock.

[KARRDICK]

Twas a great day pho sho! Thanks again to Trackdaz for putting on a good day. The wind was hella strong, but it was all good. The only real downer was a red flag in each of the first four B group sessions. I gotta get my butt in A group! Thanks Dan, Houa and Brian. You guys rock.

Yes it was a great day. Houa said he slept 15 hour after that.

[aaw749r]

You sure punked that guy in turn 3. Did you used to race motocross? That was a classic motocross stuff, but on sportbikes that is just wrong.:eek: or were you just jealous because his bike had not been down at least 4 times on the track.

[GsxR1000Ryda]

You sure punked that guy in turn 3. Did you used to race motocross? That wa a classic motocross stuff, but on sportbikes that is just wrong.:eek:

Happens all the time in motocross, people never hold a line on the dirt

[KARRDICK]

Happens all the time in motocross, people never hold a line on the dirt

I thought I was off-roading.. :D

[aaw749r]

I thought I was off-roading.. :D

You usually are, ... on your butt in the first lap or 2 due to the pirelli guy lieing to you, not enough ram air, or some other funny story.

[KARRDICK]

You sure punked that guy in turn 3. Did you used to race motocross? That was a classic motocross stuff, but on sportbikes that is just wrong.:eek: or were you just jealous because his bike had not been down at least 4 times on the track.

I didn't mean to. I felt really bad. After the contact at turn 3 and going up towards turn 4a, the red flag came up and I just knew. .

I hung out with Jeremy and Brian. It was a very good day except for the 40 mph cross winds that made it very hard going through turn 8. Now I understand what Poach meant by those nasty winds.

[KARRDICK]

You usually are, ... on your butt in the first lap or 2 due to the pirelli guy lieing to you, not enough ram air, or some other funny story.

Oh I know.

I witness Jeremy doing the same thing you did coming out of Turn 2 wide. He took his bike off roading all the way the inside and almost dump it. Then again he went wide later in the after noon because he was watching some girl and the instructor at turn 2 too.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

I witness Jeremy doing the same thing you did coming out of Turn 2 wide. He took his bike off roading all the way the inside and almost dump it. Then again he went wide later in the after noon because he was watching some girl and the instructor at turn 2 too.

I totally admit to dirt farming, but I was never almost close to dumping it. If I had been, I woulda had to change my shorts. Get it right pal! :D

[Wile_E_Coyote]

Dan, the thing is, it's up to the rider that is behind to make a safe pass. I wouldn't exactly say that the rider "was not apexing" the turn. In fact, I saw other riders turn in much later than that. The better option would have been to play it safe and apply the brakes earlier. With the horsepower your bike has you would have had to sit behind him a few more corners and then dust him down the back straight. Food for thought.

[speedjunkie]

yup that was a fun day. just to bad it got so windy. killed the lap times and being able to ride safe at speed in turn 8-9

all in all was good to hang out with you guys and everything too. we will have to do it again soon. hopefully thunderhill :)
and thanks houa for getting some times for me those 2 sessions.

[Blakester]

Dan, the thing is, it's up to the rider that is behind to make a safe pass. I wouldn't exactly say that the rider "was not apexing" the turn. In fact, I saw other riders turn in much later than that. The better option would have been to play it safe and apply the breaks earlier. With the horsepower your bike has you would have had to sit behind him a few more corners and then dust him down the back straight. Food for thought.

Agreed, I got hit from behind last year in race practice cause the guy came in hot and took me out, damn I was pissed. You basically just ran into the guy cause you were traveling at a speed faster than him and didn't check up. You gotta remember, since your not in A group most guys don't hold lines, they brake early, will just park it in corners, not drive out of corners and some don't even know about an apex. You gotta pay alot of attention out there. Your lucky that guy didn't come look for you in the pits. I hope you at least went and had a good apology for the guy afterwards. Hope you learned from that and lucky you didn't go down also.

[Wile_E_Coyote]

You gotta remember, since your not in A group most guys don't hold lines, they brake early, will just park it in corners, not drive out of corners and some don't even know about an apex. You gotta pay alot of attention out there.

I play it pretty conservative when I overtake, maybe too conservative, but I don't wanna have any contact. Plus, I don't trust anyone out there for the reasons you cited above (heck, I'm still working on hitting the same line every lap). I usually am content to wait a few corners and let my bike's power take care of it. Then I can get back to having fun again.

[Blakester]

I play it pretty conservative when I overtake, maybe too conservative, but I don't wanna have any contact. Plus, I don't trust anyone out there for the reasons you cited above (heck, I'm still working on hitting the same line every lap). I usually am content to wait a few corners and let my bike's power take care of it. Then I can get back to having fun again.

Very good way to approach a trackday. When I control ride in B group (as I have said before B group is the scariest group) I have my head on a swivel and really make careful and safe passes. The worse thing you can do is pass someone "hard" and it startles them and they take you out, cause I have seen that happen also. Sounds like Dustin and Karrdick are now best friends so I am sure Dustin gave him good advice and lecturing that I hope was all taken to heart.

[CRASH972]

I've only been to 1 trackday, so I'm not sure. I thought there was to be 6' between riders? C group outside, inside when safe. B group inside or outside.:confused2:

[GSXR888]

I will be perfectly content riding C class forever! :p

[Sticka]

WTF?
Was there some big trophy and prize money at the end??
I hope that guy sues your dumb ass!

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[cbrfreak]

Hey Dan,
It was great talking with you at the track yesterday. I had a blast! You know my last session out I was first on track and nobody ever passed me! I even lapped some riders. Pretty cool. I've got tons to learn but it was a slammin' first day out. I talked to one of the TrackDaz people and he said for me to go to B group. :D I'm signed up for B on the 28th at Streets. Definitely be cool to hang out that day. Talk soon. Ben (photographer)

[KARRDICK]

Dan, the thing is, it's up to the rider that is behind to make a safe pass. I wouldn't exactly say that the rider "was not apexing" the turn. In fact, I saw other riders turn in much later than that. The better option would have been to play it safe and apply the brakes earlier. With the horsepower your bike has you would have had to sit behind him a few more corners and then dust him down the back straight. Food for thought.

I know. You're right absolutely right. I've never done that before. Circumstances of events just lead into that misfortune.

Hope you learned from that and lucky you didn't go down also.

Yes, very much so.

[GsxR1000Ryda]

Dan, that noob went right in your line. It's hard to predict riders especially when they look like there going to run ride through out the whole corner. I'm sure you already felt a lil guilty but you know what, thats track riding and **** happens. I'm sure you learned a lot from it but a track day is a controlled chaos.

[Blakester]

Yes, very much so.

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[KARRDICK]

Hey Dan,
It was great talking with you at the track yesterday. I had a blast! You know my last session out I was first on track and nobody ever passed me! I even lapped some riders. Pretty cool. I've got tons to learn but it was a slammin' first day out. I talked to one of the TrackDaz people and he said for me to go to B group. :D I'm signed up for B on the 28th at Streets. Definitely be cool to hang out that day. Talk soon. Ben (photographer)

Great meeting you Ben. 28th, that's a forsure.

[kidmoua]

WTF?
Was there some big trophy and prize money at the end??
I hope that guy sues your dumb ass!
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no money and no trophies but I think that was uncall for..

[kidmoua]

Hey Dan,
It was great talking with you at the track yesterday. I had a blast! You know my last session out I was first on track and nobody ever passed me! I even lapped some riders. Pretty cool. I've got tons to learn but it was a slammin' first day out. I talked to one of the TrackDaz people and he said for me to go to B group. :D I'm signed up for B on the 28th at Streets. Definitely be cool to hang out that day. Talk soon. Ben (photographer)

welcome aboard Ben, it was nice meeting you. If you dont remember, I was the pit bit-(h for that day.. hope I can get my bike back together by the 28th

[aaw749r]

Agreed, I got hit from behind last year in race practice cause the guy came in hot and took me out, damn I was pissed. You basically just ran into the guy cause you were traveling at a speed faster than him and didn't check up. You gotta remember, since your not in A group most guys don't hold lines, they brake early, will just park it in corners, not drive out of corners and some don't even know about an apex. You gotta pay alot of attention out there. Your lucky that guy didn't come look for you in the pits. I hope you at least went and had a good apology for the guy afterwards. Hope you learned from that and lucky you didn't go down also.

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[SOUN1]

WTF?
Was there some big trophy and prize money at the end??
I hope that guy sues your dumb ass!

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No prize or money or cute girls giving you kisses but there is SELF SATIFACTION that prizes can't give you..I just can't put my finger on it, there is something about dragging knee and passing another (safely) and dirt farming.:D Man, I need to do a track day soon..I'm getting with draws watching all these videos..

[JonJon]

No prize or money or cute girls giving you kisses but there is SELF SATIFACTION that prizes can't give you..I just can't put my finger on it, there is something about dragging knee and passing another (safely) and dirt farming.:D Man, I need to do a track day soon..I'm getting with draws watching all these videos..

Houa was Dans trophy girl. :evilgrin0013:

[KDOG]

Ben, welcome to the forum. :01welcome7jb:

[kidmoua]

Houa was Dans trophy girl. :evilgrin0013:

more like I was Dan's, Jeremy's and Brians pit b|t-ch for the day

[cbrfreak]

Ben, welcome to the forum. :01welcome7jb:

Thanks man! Great to finally be hooking up with some speedfreaks. I've been riding solo for years. Definitely track obsessed now!:evilgrin0013:

[cbrfreak]

welcome aboard Ben, it was nice meeting you. If you dont remember, I was the pit bit-(h for that day.. hope I can get my bike back together by the 28th

Sure, I remember. Hopefully you can get your bike rebuilt soon. Be great to ride with you and Dan on the 28th. I've got the correct rear sets coming in later this week so hopefully I'll finally put the knee to pavement that day!:evilgrin0013:

June 28th - Streets - Hope to see you there

[KARRDICK]

Definitely track obsessed now!:evilgrin0013:

I know... it's sick drug

[GsxR1000Ryda]

Definitely track obsessed now!:evilgrin0013:

They didnt rhyme track and Crack for no reason

[SyKoTiK]

They didnt rhyme track and Crack for no reason

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[kidmoua]

I'm not hook

[Blakester]

Dang, why did you edit it and also remove the video of you banging the dude off the track?

[aaw749r]

Dang, why did you edit it and also remove the video of you banging the dude off the track?

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[Blakester]

Language and content was found to be too graphic to some viewers. LOL. :pound:

You even deleted off of youtube, I was trying to show a buddy that was over at my house today, I guess you thought the guy could use it as evidence against you in court...LOL

[Sticka]

You even deleted off of youtube, I was trying to show a buddy that was over at my house today, I guess you thought the guy could use it as evidence against you in court...LOL

:D I think he is a little scared. :chase:

[JonJon]

Being sue-happy is pretty friggin lame. People these days are just always looking for that quick buck. :confused2:

[GsxR1000Ryda]

You even deleted off of youtube, I was trying to show a buddy that was over at my house today, I guess you thought the guy could use it as evidence against you in court...LOL

What could the guy really do though?

[Sticka]

What could the guy really do though?

He could sue his ass for whatever he has.

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[Blakester]

What could the guy really do though?

It was a total joke..:D I was just messing with him..

[KARRDICK]

You even deleted off of youtube, I was trying to show a buddy that was over at my house today, I guess you thought the guy could use it as evidence against you in court...LOL

Nah Derik. It's still on youtube. It's just set to private viewing only. Come on man. You and I both know you sign a waiver when stepping out on the track.

I have all the respects for you and the wisers. You're absolutely right. There's a risk every day when we wake up. And it's even more prevalent when you commit to putting yourself on the track. I know and do respect the worst and best that can happen to me or anyone out there. Hense the track organizations have everyone sign a waiver before being allow to ride. I haven't been to a track day that hasn't had one wreck. There's always a wreck. It's just known and it's expected. Everyone scrubs it off when one does occurred. No one goes crying out there (both riders and none riders). I would assume only one that does the crying is a "one" not in the know here.

This place is a friendly place of brothers to come and share info and ideas.

I didn't post it up for some fool (not you Derik) who has no clue of the multiple dynamics of what's involve at high speeds (the multiple data and variables that's being processed in your head regarding your next move) to make an assessment call of what happen from a short video clip that only shows one dimension of what happen 2 seconds before a contact. The video leaves out the other senses such as temperature for the day, wind impact on riding stituation and braking, sight, smell, touch, etc. But yet if I'm going to be judge by a fool on here, then it's something that I didn't sign up for. And respecting the friends on here, the mods, and the admin, I choice not to participate in anything that may sprout negativity. Give me feed back both positive and negative, that's great. I welcome that. Don't know me but yet want to condemn me with "stupid", not worth my time to commune with.

I didn't intentionally run someone off the track. I don't go out there to do that. I go out to ride and to better myself and to walk away from every track day being better and more knowledgeable. I look forward on every track day to learn and take heed from the vets like you, calkidd, poach, and everyother staff member of a track organization. Many times though, the best learning experiences are also from the mistake made. And I will say that I've learn from each and everyone of those incidents. Thankfully, there's been no repeats. :) And really, sometimes I don't even want to ride but kick back and bath in the moment of being in the company all the great friends out there.

But due to a series of events and circumstances this particular day, it lead up to that unfortunate mishap. Please don't make a quick judgement of what happened from a short 5 second film clip right before the contact. There's a lot of things all going on at the same time: speed, braking, bike positioning, corner entry, running out of realstate, a 40 mph cross wind, etc etc. And if you do watch the video, I didn't run into the guy. The guy turned into my right side. Like my conversation with Dustin, there's two parties....

[KARRDICK]

It was a total joke..:D I was just messing with him..

Okay... ya punked me. :pound::pound::pound::pound:


Still looking to get some schooling from you on the next ti2tt. I'm going to hit you up if you're not control riding.

[aaw749r]

Dan, quit BSing us with all this, your car salesman occupation is showing. Plain and simple, you once agian took an unnecessary risk and instead of it hurting you this time it hurt someone else. Be a man and take credit for your actions. It was clear on the video that passed much too close to another rider causing contact and him to go off track and crash. Other track riders on this forem saw and said the same thing. What the heck does temp, time of day, taste, and smell have to do with this incident. You could try to blame it on the wind but knowing the prevailing wind direction and where you were on the track & hillside and the direction you were going the wind has very little to no effect on the bikes. The pirelli guy didn't lie to you, you straight screwed up.

[Calkidd]

I haven't been to a track day that hasn't had one wreck. There's always a wreck.
I didn't see the video so I can't comment on what you did, but I can comment to this statement. I just got back from T Hill and not ONE person wrecked the entire day!

From what I have read it looks like the opinions vary. Give me the link to the video I would love to watch it.

[KARRDICK]

Be a man and take credit for your actions.


The pirelli guy didn't lie to you, you straight screwed up.

Ray, this is where a clearification needs to be made. I never said it wasn't my fault. Every one of my post said it was my fault.

And about this man stuff. I don't need hear that. Not cool. If you meant what you meant, not cool. If I'm reading it wrong and taking it the wrong way, my apologise to you. I'll call you later about it.

Let me just say, it was the very first thing I did at the track. I went up in front of 30 riders and a full staff crew and made it clear that it was my fault the very minute after that.








About tires, lets clear that up too. No one said the dude lied to me. Gave a recommendation that wasn't the best for me...perhaps. I'm sure we all have giving out honest recommendations that was proper at sometime and then later found out to be not so good. That doesn't meant that it was lie. I never said the dude lied to me. But I did say the dude recommended 32-34 cold (been a long time, can't remember exactly, but know it wasn't 28 cold) and that would mean 35 - 37 hot. Ray, have you ever rode 35 hot (none street)? Maybe that was a good recommendation. But for me, no.






I'd screwed up Ray. Things (shi+) happens.

[aaw749r]

Dan,

It just seems to me that you make very light of the subject or try very hard to place the blame elsewhere when you make a judgment error, but when someone else makes a mistake you will wave a flag at the mistake so everyone notices. Therefore I was waving a flag at you.

I'm done now, not going to argue.

[KARRDICK]

Dan,

It just seems to me that you make very light of the subject or try very hard to place the blame elsewhere when you make a judgment error, but when someone else makes a mistake you will wave a flag at the mistake so everyone notices. Therefore I was waving a flag at you.

I'm done now, not going to argue.

I hear you Ray.

I think my mistake here was not making it clear to the forum members that I did take responsibility at the track in front of 40-50 people.

Even asked Dustin if he wanted to sit me out and bench me for the day, it was his call. And I was perfectly willing to accept his decision to do so.

Thanks for waving bro. ;)

[poach]

He could sue his ass for whatever he has.

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I wasn't there, nor have I seen the vid...so I cannot speak to the right/wrong of what happened out there that day.

But one thing's for sure...the day a rider can sue another rider, or track day org for negligence is the day motorcycle track day activities are gone forever.

I know you feel strongly about what you saw(i'm assuming) on the vid. I'm sure your resultant displeasure has contributed the the "sue" statement. But if it ever comes to pass that litigation becomes part of the track day process...it's all over. Because no track day org, or right minded individual for that matter, would ever expose themselves to litigation based on "perceptions" on the race track. Maybe uncle dan's issue was black and white...cut and dry. But I can tell you with absolute confidence that the determinatin of the at fault party in most track incidents can only be based on the perception of events by witnesses and those involved. This would include even vid tape imo.

I didn't quote you because I dislike you or have some chicken**** axe to grind. In fact, based on your posts, I'm inclined to believe we're more alike than different in our attitudes and philosophies. But if litigation ever becomes part of the track day scene...there will be a whole host of negative consequences.

[Blakester]

You know I guess I opened that "sue" can of worms when I asked if he took it down cause he thought the guy could use it against him in court. I was totally joking around and I was not at all serious with that comment. I was trying to show a buddy that lives down the street that races moto-X cause he would have enjoyed watching a move like that, which you see all the time in Moto-X. What my comment actually stemed from was a video that came out called Bar Room Babes and Brawls and I was on the video smacking a dude around after he yelled at and slapped his girlfriend in the face at a night club were I was bouncing. People use to mess with me and tell me the dude could use the video to sue me. I just laughed it off.

[poach]

What my comment actually stemed from was a video that came out called Bar Room Babes and Brawls and I was on the video smacking a dude around after he yelled at and slapped his girlfriend in the face at a night club were I was bouncing. .

Suuuuhweet!

Is it available on Blu Ray?:D

[kidmoua]

get over it..

everyone takes that risk of crashing or crashing into when they hit the track..both parties live to ride another day..one just don't have a nice shiny bike anymore :(

I've been run off the track by other riders before.. it comes with the teritory

[Blakester]

Suuuuhweet!

Is it available on Blu Ray?:D

Here is the trailer for it on YouTube, one of the lamest videos ever made. They basically went around for a year and filmed barfights in Bakersfield, Fiesta days in Santa Barbara and in some in Vegas. I was in my bouncing prime(2000-2001) so I got alot of footage of myself, hey something to show the grandkids...LOL
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwPsoOUgiSE)

[KARRDICK]

Here is the trailer for it on YouTube, one of the lamest videos ever made. They basically went around for a year and filmed barfights in Bakersfield, Fiesta days in Santa Barbara and in some in Vegas. I was in my bouncing prime(2000-2001) so I got alot of footage of myself, hey something to show the grandkids...LOL
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwPsoOUgiSE)

Sweetttt. Was that you at 2:18?

[Blakester]

Sweetttt. Was that you at 2:18?

Haha, yeah that's one of them that I was on there. Messed up how that guy started stomping him, the guy was out cold after I hit him a few times and I stopped hitting him cause he was out. messed up to take advantage of a knocked out person.

[kidmoua]

more babes and less fight please

[GSXR888]

Nice Derik! Remind me to ask you to come along with me if I ever decide go drinking in Bako! Nice shot on 2:18!

[cbrfreak]

Hey Dan,

Pretty much gone nuts prepping my bike for the next track day, and some canyons in between.:evilgrin0013:

So far, Vortex Rear Sets, and a Scotts Stabilizer. Hopefully I can finally get the knee to pavement!