CHP ARE LOOKING AT OUR SITE FOR INFO

[BlooDSMeaR]

I read a posted artical (on thease fourmsin a link ) that police forces are using web sights to target renagade riders we need to make a call list or email set up for ride info or make the security a lot stongr to join the forms..........

[Sprocket]

I wish they would put as much attention looking for the renegade cell phone yackers and red light runners. I mean, that is, if they want to make the streets safer...

[zpyro]

...or slow it down on public roads :confused2:

[Sprocket]

...or slow it down on public roads :confused2:
I dont think very many of us here race on public roads. They didnt get any of us last weekend for speeding. It was all passing over the double yellow, which we wouldnt have to do if they enforced the yielding laws and setting up stings in remote barely used roads is hardly making the streets safer.

[hades00_7]

LOL! :iagree:

[GusGus748s]

I read a posted artical (on thease fourmsin a link ) that police forces are using web sights to target renagade riders we need to make a call list or email set up for ride info or make the security a lot stongr to join the forms..........

:sleep::confused2:

[Calicronic]

I wish they would put as much attention looking for the renegade cell phone yackers and red light runners. I mean, that is, if they want to make the streets safer...


For the last week every morning when I come to work there is a FPD sitting BEHIND the bushes on 180 and Clovis. You will not see him until you are half way through the intersection. BE CAREFUL.

With that said, I realize they have a job to do, but sitting in a field and hiding behind bushes to catch commuters on their way to WORK isn't my idea of tax dollars well spent. This guy is there atleast 3 mornings every week and has been there EVERY day this week going back to thursday of last week. Who knows how many hours a week he wastes there when he COULD be patrolling high crime areas or what have you.

[Calkidd]

I read a posted artical (on thease fourmsin a link ) that police forces are using web sights to target renagade riders we need to make a call list or email set up for ride info or make the security a lot stongr to join the forms..........
Who cares......:yawn: This forum should have no problems with having any LEO here. There is nothing this forum does which should cause local law enforcement to read our forum for the purpose of enforcing laws. If this is the case then those of you how are causing negative light to be shed here, I suggest you find another forum to belong to.

I think it is redicilous we should come up with some way to "secretly" pass along information about rides.

[JonJon]

"I caught you doing 47 in a 45mph zone son. you realize how serious this is?"
That's something I could see happening here.

[Calkidd]

"I caught you doing 47 in a 45mph zone son. you realize how serious this is?"
That's something I could see happening here.Dude, serioulsy give it a rest.

[JonJon]

Dude, serioulsy give it a rest.

Whoa, calm down. Was a joke.

[Calicronic]

Who cares......:yawn: This forum should have no problems with having any LEO here. There is nothing this forum does which should cause local law enforcement to read our forum for the purpose of enforcing laws. If this is the case then those of you how are causing negative light to be shed here, I suggest you find another forum to belong to.

I think it is redicilous we should come up with some way to "secretly" pass along information about rides.


I agree, I have no problems with ANY law enforcement being on this site, ulitmately if you are doing something you shouldn't be then there is going to be a price to pay. What I don't agree with is IF and that is a big IF, something like this was going on and they were getting on here only to taget, I would have a huge problem with that.

Not that I could do anything about it, Just seems to me that time could be better spent, than trying to catch guys that are gonna go up and ride a low populated road. Seems to me they could use those same resources and stay in town and write double the amount of tickets:confused2:. Anyhow, personally I HIGHLY doubt anything like this is going on, and if it is...oh well, not much you can do.

[GsxR1000Ryda]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm you guys are tripping.

[L2fly]

(on thease fourmsin a link )

English, please? :confused2: I'd like to read it... :cool:

[L2fly]

Who cares......:yawn: This forum should have no problems with having any LEO here. There is nothing this forum does which should cause local law enforcement to read our forum for the purpose of enforcing laws. If this is the case then those of you how are causing negative light to be shed here, I suggest you find another forum to belong to.

I think it is redicilous we should come up with some way to "secretly" pass along information about rides.

+1... I'd like to read the article Bloodsmear is talking about... I HIGHLY DOUBT the CHP is reading all the riding forums to hang out and see if they can bust people for occasionally crossing double yellows (infractions)... now, stunting, speed contests, something different, maybe... if you've got a forum named 'motostreetracing.com' or 'madstreetstunting.net' yeah, I could see them checking it out... but thats not us.

This happened way before the internet, I'm sure... roads get popular, (or even illicit riding areas in the off-road community)... accidents happen, or it just gets around by word of mouth, law enforcement gets wind of it... the local (non-riding, AND non-yielding!) community/residents scream 'something must be done!' and BAM! LEO focuses on the roads in question.

Obey the law or be prepared for the occasional ticket... and switch roads for a little while.

AND, keep in mind, there's a difference between passing and weaving in and out of traffic like you're Trinity in The Matrix... a difference between speeding and racing... and a difference between riding and wheelies. Use common sense, don't do anything on the road that would freak out your Grandmother TOO bad, and you might get a ticket, but should avoid a court date...

[Roadliner]

This happened way before the internet, I'm sure... roads get popular, (or even illicit riding areas in the off-road community)... accidents happen, or it just gets around by word of mouth, law enforcement gets wind of it... the local (non-riding, AND non-yielding!) community/residents scream 'something must be done!' and BAM! LEO focuses on the roads in question.


Yep, way before the internet.
Years ago I used to help a friend with a drag race car... His was built for the strip (even back then it would cost too much fuel to drive that thing on the road. We figured it took about 1-1/2 to 2 gallons per run... a gallon or more on the pass, and a 1/2 gallon or more on warm up, burn out, and moving up the staging lines at the braket races :eek: That car had a serious drinking problem!), but there were always a group of guys around at the parts places, shows, and track that were always bragging about taking their, more streetable, cars out and street racing south of Visalia... At one point they claimed they had even painted a marked 1/4 mile on the road they were racing at, they were there so much.
After a while they started getting cought... And they werent using an internet site (wasnt around yet, basically just AOL).. it just became pretty easy to spot who it was and where they were!

[kidmoua]

Who cares......:yawn: This forum should have no problems with having any LEO here. There is nothing this forum does which should cause local law enforcement to read our forum for the purpose of enforcing laws. If this is the case then those of you how are causing negative light to be shed here, I suggest you find another forum to belong to.

I think it is redicilous we should come up with some way to "secretly" pass along information about rides.

amen brotha

[PRTSMN]

I read a posted artical (on thease fourmsin a link ) that police forces are using web sights to target renagade riders we need to make a call list or email set up for ride info or make the security a lot stongr to join the forms..........

Actually:confused2: if you think about it.Most of what they might read about on here is how tight of a rider community we are and look out for the next guy as much as ourselves.Yes we go on group rides and yes some of us may infract a few laws once in awhile:rolleyes:. If you get caught then pay the price to play,other then that the may realize that there is nothing but a great bunch of people on here and want to join themselves;)

[Sprocket]

For the last week every morning when I come to work there is a FPD sitting BEHIND the bushes on 180 and Clovis. You will not see him until you are half way through the intersection. BE CAREFUL.

With that said, I realize they have a job to do, but sitting in a field and hiding behind bushes to catch commuters on their way to WORK isn't my idea of tax dollars well spent. This guy is there atleast 3 mornings every week and has been there EVERY day this week going back to thursday of last week. Who knows how many hours a week he wastes there when he COULD be patrolling high crime areas or what have you.

I wish they would do that at the intersection of palm and sierra. Almost every time I go through that intersection I see someone run a red light. and I go through it 4 times a day!

[JonJon]

I wish they would do that at the intersection of palm and sierra. Almost every time I go through that intersection I see someone run a red light. and I go through it 4 times a day!

Heh, very true. That's my corner as well so I see all the people blow thru there not even caring about the lights.

[BlooDSMeaR]

So it was just random that CHP was up on the dragon ....
There was a post a few weeks back that in it stated "police are using web sites to crack down on bike events". Maybe not ours however, I wouldn't put it past them. It is all revenue enhancement. The street patrols are just to make money. They will use all resources possible, that is how I see it. Sorry fuzz members please don't take it personal....

DJ thanks for commenting on my bad spelling / gramer I was in a hurry ..... :D

[kidmoua]

There has always been CHP at the dragon. I run into them everytime I'm up there.

[Sprocket]

So it was just random that CHP was up on the dragon ....
There was a post a few weeks back that in it stated "police are using web sites to crack down on bike events". Maybe not ours however, I wouldn't put it past them. It is all revenue enhancement. The street patrols are just to make money. They will use all resources possible, that is how I see it. Sorry fuzz members please don't take it personal....

DJ thanks for commenting on my bad spelling / gramer I was in a hurry ..... :D
They're just gonna lose money if they follow us around LOL our rides are just rides, not races. Not once on any ride I have been on with CVR members has it ever got competitive.

Everyone rides at there own pace and are encouraged to do so. If they think putting a plane in the air and cruisers on the ground out in the middle of no where is going to result in big fines for them they are mistaken. I bet after a few rides they give up on us :D

[tripleplay6543]

So it was just random that CHP was up on the dragon ....
There was a post a few weeks back that in it stated "police are using web sites to crack down on bike events". Maybe not ours however, I wouldn't put it past them. It is all revenue enhancement. The street patrols are just to make money. They will use all resources possible, that is how I see it. Sorry fuzz members please don't take it personal....

DJ thanks for commenting on my bad spelling / gramer I was in a hurry ..... :D

The dragon has a reputation for bikes on the weekend... Everyone knows this... LEO doesn't need to look online to know that there will be tons of bikes up there. Maybe it is being enforced more due to the increased number of crashes in the hills.:jaw: Last two times I have been up there I have heard about numerous wrecks from people coming up. Maybe they are NOT out to get us, but trying to keep people from making bad decisions that in turn effect other riders as well... If you want to blaze through twisties, do it knowing there could be an officer around any corner, or be smart and go to a damn trackday.

[zpyro]

cops end up patrolling rural roads like that because of how many ricky racers haul ass on those roads, end up crashing and oftentimes dying on them, and the people who actually live up there get tired of it and complain until cops crack down on it. happens all the time. if there weren't so many bikes going too fast and crashing and pissing off the residents, there wouldn't be a need for the cops to be up there.

as for cops patrolling "high crime areas," they're given a beat to work, and that's where they work. traffic cops are for traffic. if there weren't any speeders or red light runners etc. going through there so frequently, the cops wouldn't be wasting time sitting there doing nothing. a traffic cop isn't going to go patrol the ghetto looking for drug dealers, just like a sheriff isn't going to post up somewhere trying to catch speeders.

[YamiR1]

there is still one road i ride that i have never seen a chp, ever, only the rangers have patrolled it. and its rare that i see them..its only 3 or 4 of us that ever go there..it takes to long just to get to the road.:rolleyes:

[L2fly]

DJ thanks for commenting on my bad spelling / gramer I was in a hurry ..... :D

:D Yeah, I can understand that, if I don't use spell check my spelling SUCKS! ;)

But I seriously am not sure what you were saying in your original post... is there an article out there on the internet that you were referring to, on another website regarding this topic? If so, post the link, I'd like to read it! :thumbsup:

[ZX10Rob]

Boy this is getting old. The cops are doing what they have to do. Once again if you screw up and get a ticket then accept it. You never want a cop around until you need one then you say he took to long to get there. Like I said and other people have mentioned, we are targeted because of the idiots that are out stunting, racing, crashing and kiling themselves. But enough of the cop conspiracy bull.

[Calicronic]

cops end up patrolling rural roads like that because of how many ricky racers haul ass on those roads, end up crashing and oftentimes dying on them, and the people who actually live up there get tired of it and complain until cops crack down on it. happens all the time. if there weren't so many bikes going too fast and crashing and pissing off the residents, there wouldn't be a need for the cops to be up there.

as for cops patrolling "high crime areas," they're given a beat to work, and that's where they work. traffic cops are for traffic. if there weren't any speeders or red light runners etc. going through there so frequently, the cops wouldn't be wasting time sitting there doing nothing. a traffic cop isn't going to go patrol the ghetto looking for drug dealers, just like a sheriff isn't going to post up somewhere trying to catch speeders.

Why do you think that is?

Personally, here at my work, I know how to do every job, and am expected to do each job with efficiency. What you are saying is because they are "traffic" cops they shouldn't be looking out for suspicious characters or happenings, because that is not their job title?

They are "LAW ENFORCEMENT" and I realize that traffic violations are "breaking" the laws, but I don't care what anyone says, take a poll and ask someone what is more important, stopping wreckless drivers or cracking down on violent crimes and drugs, I can guarantee you what the result would be.

[ZX10Rob]

Yes, they are traffic cops and that is what they will focus on but their primary job is law enforcement. I don't think they will turn their head if they see a crime occurring or a drug deal going down. Once again you don't want them or like them until you need them.

[zpyro]

Why do you think that is?

Personally, here at my work, I know how to do every job, and am expected to do each job with efficiency. What you are saying is because they are "traffic" cops they shouldn't be looking out for suspicious characters or happenings, because that is not their job title?

They are "LAW ENFORCEMENT" and I realize that traffic violations are "breaking" the laws, but I don't care what anyone says, take a poll and ask someone what is more important, stopping wreckless drivers or cracking down on violent crimes and drugs, I can guarantee you what the result would be.

because they aren't out to look for drug dealers. they're out to enforce traffic laws. hence the title of traffic cops.

I never said they shouldn't be on the lookout for suspicious people. But as long as people keep speeding and breaking other traffic laws, the cops are going to continue ticketing them and generating revenue. Besides, there are specific departments and positions for things such as violent crimes and drugs. CHP doesn't deal with those on a regular basis, they're Highway Patrol so they mainly deal with traffic. The road you guys call "little dragon" is a highway, right? why is it such a surprise that the CHP would be on a highway where people regularly speed, make unsafe passes and things like that?

Doesn't matter what a poll would result in. I'm sure everyone who isn't a drug dealer or violent felon would agree that drug dealers and violent felons should be cracked down upon. The drug dealers and violent felons would say to focus on speeders. Regardless of what the poll says, what really matters is what citizens tell the politicians to do. If drug dealers and violent crimes were really so rampant here, and speeders, drunk drivers and other reckless drivers weren't an issue, maybe people would be writing city hall to get rid of traffic cops

[Calicronic]

Yes, they are traffic cops and that is what they will focus on but their primary job is law enforcement. I don't think they will turn their head if they see a crime occurring or a drug deal going down. Once again you don't want them or like them until you need them.

Honestly I have no problem with them being anywhere and have no issue with them doing their job and have the utmost respect for those in law enforcement, could you imagine the chaos if there was none:eek:?

I just don't see it as efficient to be sitting in one spot for hours on end just waiting.

Anyways, enough of this.

[Calicronic]

because they aren't out to look for drug dealers. they're out to enforce traffic laws. hence the title of traffic cops.

I never said they shouldn't be on the lookout for suspicious people. But as long as people keep speeding and breaking other traffic laws, the cops are going to continue ticketing them and generating revenue. Besides, there are specific departments and positions for things such as violent crimes and drugs. CHP doesn't deal with those on a regular basis, they're Highway Patrol so they mainly deal with traffic. The road you guys call "little dragon" is a highway, right? why is it such a surprise that the CHP would be on a highway where people regularly speed, make unsafe passes and things like that?

Doesn't matter what a poll would result in. I'm sure everyone who isn't a drug dealer or violent felon would agree that drug dealers and violent felons should be cracked down upon. The drug dealers and violent felons would say to focus on speeders. Regardless of what the poll says, what really matters is what citizens tell the politicians to do. If drug dealers and violent crimes were really so rampant here, and speeders, drunk drivers and other reckless drivers weren't an issue, maybe people would be writing city hall to get rid of traffic cops


DING, DING, DING...we have a winner!!!!

That's a lil far of a stretch to say that a drug dealer/violent felon would say that speeders and drunk drivers cause more harm to society. They may not have much going for them in the way of career choices, but they are not that ignorant.

K, now i'm done...lol.:rolleyes::eek::D

[Calkidd]

Honestly I have no problem with them being anywhere and have no issue with them doing their job and have the utmost respect for those in law enforcement, could you imagine the chaos if there was none:eek:?

I just don't see it as efficient to be sitting in one spot for hours on end just waiting.

Anyways, enough of this.
I always find this hard to explain to civilians when they have a complaint like this. The only reason the officer is sitting in that area is like when I use to patrol drug areas. I know there is a problem there therefore I hang out in that area to handle that problem. Just like the drug area there is a problem there whether it be personal complaint, traffic collisions or random patrol. There is nothing stopping you from talking to that officer and asking him why he is there.

I realize everyone believes this whole traffic thing is nothing but a money maker. But that is not the idea we have at the FPD it is just a byproduct for enforcing the law. Do you realize Fresno had one of the worst fatality rates in the nation? This is why we started to crack down on traffic violators

[JonJon]

lolol..

[Calicronic]

I always find this hard to explain to civilians when they have a complaint like this. The only reason the officer is sitting in that area is like when I use to patrol drug areas. I know there is a problem there therefore I hang out in that area to handle that problem. Just like the drug area there is a problem there whether it be personal complaint, traffic collisions or random patrol. There is nothing stopping you from talking to that officer and asking him why he is there.

I realize everyone believes this whole traffic thing is nothing but a money maker. But that is not the idea we have at the FPD it is just a byproduct for enforcing the law. Do you realize Fresno had one of the worst fatality rates in the nation? This is why we started to crack down on traffic violators

See, now that I can accept.

Although I don't think it would be wise to pull off the road and go around the bushes he is trying to hide behind and question his decision making...lol.

Quick question Bryan,
I realize if you are doing something just outright ignorant there isn't gonna be anything that can save you, but plenty of times I have heard the word entrapment thrown around. Where could one go to find out what the true definition of entrapment is, concerning law enforcement?

[L2fly]

Quick question Bryan,
I realize if you are doing something just outright ignorant there isn't gonna be anything that can save you, but plenty of times I have heard the word entrapment thrown around. Where could one go to find out what the true definition of entrapment is, concerning law enforcement?

Be careful what you wish for! :evilgrin0013:

This is what the definition is, as given to juries if a defendant raises an entrapment defense in a case presented to them.

FYI, these are from the Judicial Council of California Criminal Jury Instructions (aka Cal Crims), there are a ton of them, and they are accepted by both the prosecution and the defense bar as the proper way to instruct the jury on the law...



3408. Entrapment
Entrapment is a defense. The defendant has the burden of proving
this defense by a preponderance of the evidence. This is a different
standard from proof beyond a reasonable doubt. To meet this
burden, the defendant must prove that it is more likely than not
that (he/she) was entrapped.
A person is entrapped if a law enforcement officer [or (his/her)
agent] engaged in conduct that would cause a normally lawabiding
person to commit the crime.
Some examples of entrapment might include conduct like
badgering, persuasion by flattery or coaxing, repeated and
insistent requests, or an appeal to friendship or sympathy.
Another example of entrapment would be conduct that would
make commission of the crime unusually attractive to a normally
law-abiding person. Such conduct might include a guarantee that
the act is not illegal or that the offense would go undetected, an
offer of extraordinary benefit, or other similar conduct.
If an officer [or (his/her) agent] simply gave the defendant an
opportunity to commit the crime or merely tried to gain the
defendant’s confidence through reasonable and restrained steps,
that conduct is not entrapment.
In evaluating this defense, you should focus primarily on the
conduct of the officer. However, in deciding whether the officer’s
conduct was likely to cause a normally law-abiding person to
commit this crime, also consider other relevant circumstances,
including events that happened before the crime, the defendant’s
responses to the officer’s urging, the seriousness of the crime, and
how difficult it would have been for law enforcement officers to
discover that the crime had been committed.
When deciding whether the defendant was entrapped, consider
what a normally law-abiding person would have done in this
situation. Do not consider the defendant’s particular intentions or
character, or whether the defendant had a predisposition to
commit the crime.
[As used here, an agent is a person who does something at the
request, suggestion, or direction of an officer. It is not necessary
that the agent know the officer’s true identity, or that the agent
realize that he or she is actually acting as an agent.]
If the defendant has proved that it is more likely than not that (he/
she) <insert charged crime, e.g., committed
embezzlement> because (he/she) was entrapped, you must find
(him/her) not guilty of <insert charged crime>.

Got that?

for more fun fun reading, you can look at ALL of them right here:

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/jury/criminaljuryinstructions/calcrim_juryins.pdf

[Calkidd]

Here is another one for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

[L2fly]

FYI, these are the misdemeanor vehicle codes that seem to get most motorcyclists in trouble... know the law, and its easier to follow it! :cool:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc23103.htm

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc23109.htm

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d02/vc2800_1.htm

[Calicronic]

Too much info, too fast...brain is frying!!!!!! Slow down people...HAHAHAHA.

Thanks for the links...will have to look over them this evening.

[Big Kahuna]

A few more. :)

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d17/vc40801.htm

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d17/vc40802.htm

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d17/vc40803.htm

These are the items I was discussing with the officer that pulled us over Randy. How do you think the operators of the CHP planes track your speed? :)

More interesting info about CHP Aircraft.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=116285

[GsxR1000Ryda]

FYI, these are the misdemeanor vehicle codes that seem to get most motorcyclists in trouble... know the law, and its easier to follow it! :cool:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc23103.htm

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc23109.htm

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d02/vc2800_1.htm

HAHAHAHAH ive had two of those execept for the last one, which i NEVER will.

Both of those other charges were either dropped period or drop to an infraction.

[BlooDSMeaR]

They're just gonna lose money if they follow us around LOL our rides are just rides, not races. Not once on any ride I have been on with CVR members has it ever got competitive.

Everyone rides at there own pace and are encouraged to do so. If they think putting a plane in the air and cruisers on the ground out in the middle of no where is going to result in big fines for them they are mistaken. I bet after a few rides they give up on us :D

hope so.... but you never know.....:confused:

[BlooDSMeaR]

This is the link for that artical. It's down in LA that police are using web info to find events to break up. I wouldn't put it past the local CHP are checking things out. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...terstitialskip

[zpyro]

link is broken

[BlooDSMeaR]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-05-26-stunters_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip


Thanks for letting me know: Should work now.

[Calkidd]

Like I said I welcome undercover LEO's to visit this site and feel free to join us on rides or MnG's. They will find there is nothing out of the ordinary. The article you quote is directed more towards stunters who phuck off on the streets and become a danger to other motorist or pedestrians on the roadway.

If there are members who can't control themselves and find it necessary to draw attention then you deserve what ever is coming to you.

[Calicronic]

Like I said I welcome undercover LEO's to visit this site and feel free to join us on rides or MnG's. They will find there is nothing out of the ordinary. The article you quote is directed more towards stunters who phuck off on the streets and become a danger to other motorist or pedestrians on the roadway.

If there are members who can't control themselves and find it necessary to draw attention then you deserve what ever is coming to you.

I agree!!

[Barney]

Like I said I welcome undercover LEO's to visit this site and feel free to join us on rides or MnG's. They will find there is nothing out of the ordinary. The article you quote is directed more towards stunters who phuck off on the streets and become a danger to other motorist or pedestrians on the roadway.

If there are members who can't control themselves and find it necessary to draw attention then you deserve what ever is coming to you.

:dblthumb2:

[Daisy]

Wow there is alot of discusion about police on this site. You would think people think the police are the problem. Police are doing there job. Thats it, people. If we did not break the laws, we would not need them. Hey, I prefer to have them around. It makes me feel safer that there is a CHP patroling the dragon. If I go down or any of us go down, help is not far away. Just remember cops have jobs because of people that break the law. And if your upset when you get pulled over for speeding, well "DONT SPEED" if you dont stop, shut up and get over its your fault. I dont care if it is 2 miles an hour over the limit. (Which rarely happens) But it is still over the limit. Take responcibilty for your own actions.

Sorry I am obsessing again.

[JonJon]

This is totally off topic, but it's such an odd and rude story I have to share it.
Friend of mine went out and bought a brand new gsxr 600. Was his first bike and he was the typical squid, totally rode over his head all the time. He was riding down Shaw going East one day when a car pulled out in front of him that was making a U-turn. He couldn't break in time, and hit the side of the car, launching him about 15 feet. Quickly found out he had broken both arms, one of which had the bone totally sticking out. When they were loading him up in the ambulance (luckily all that happened was broken arms and swollen man parts), the officer on the scene came up to him and said "here, sign this". He wrote my buddy a ticket for doing 5 mph over the speed limit after everything he was going through! Never-the-less he said "How am I going to sign that when i can't move my arm"? So the cop goes to his squad car, and grabs the finger printing stuff and grabs his hand and made him stamp it.
That's the kind of stuff that makes me dislike some law enforcement. (even tho half of my family is in law enforcement).

[PRTSMN]

Like I said I welcome undercover LEO's to visit this site and feel free to join us on rides or MnG's. They will find there is nothing out of the ordinary. The article you quote is directed more towards stunters who phuck off on the streets and become a danger to other motorist or pedestrians on the roadway.

If there are members who can't control themselves and find it necessary to draw attention then you deserve what ever is coming to you.

I agree!!

:iagree::fun_83:

[Big Kahuna]

Wow there is alot of discusion about police on this site. You would think people think the police are the problem. Police are doing there job. Thats it, people. If we did not break the laws, we would not need them. Hey, I prefer to have them around. It makes me feel safer that there is a CHP patroling the dragon. If I go down or any of us go down, help is not far away. Just remember cops have jobs because of people that break the law. And if your upset when you get pulled over for speeding, well "DONT SPEED" if you dont stop, shut up and get over its your fault. I dont care if it is 2 miles an hour over the limit. (Which rarely happens) But it is still over the limit. Take responcibilty for your own actions.

Sorry I am obsessing again.They may be doing their job, but when they make an appearance just to make a some shallow point, it doesn't do much for the "problem" they are trying to combat.

In the case of my double yellow line ticket the last time through the dragon, there were riders there doing far worse than Randy and I ever do on the streets. But because we were in the wrong place at the wrong time, we took the hit.

Laws are there for a reason, sure, but I truly believe there is a time and a place for nearly everything. I've passed slow moving vehicles over double yellow lines hundreds of times in my past riding years. Would I try the same thing in my car, of course not as it doesn't have the size or quick acceleration to make such a quick pass. But despite the fact that all but the bridge is double yellow on the dragon, doesn't mean there are places along the way that aren't safe to pass.

After the CHP officer got done with his lecture he tells us that he to used to ride. I think it's very hypocritical of him to right us up for a violation that he has undoubtedly done back in the days when he was out riding his 900 and 929. If they were really interested in fixing the problem, they should have spent a little more time at the dragon, seeing who is doing what before handing out violations. They basically did nothing to curb the antics of the more aggressive riders out there, and they in no way did anything to decrease the local accident rate.

[Big Kahuna]

Let me add, that in the past 10 years or so, I've been pulled over many times, mostly for speed. After talking to the Officer, I had always received a warning and in one case twice in less than six months from the same officer. Sure, I was exceeding the speed limit but I was doing so in a rural area, on a bright sunny day with little traffic. When the officer asked why I was going so fast, I told them the truth. Until the last time, it has worked very well, truth usually yields the best result.

All those officers where real world guys. They know what it's like to be human and seemed as long as I wasn't out there doing something really stupid or dangerous to others, they were willing to look the other way.

Unfortunately sometimes you find those guys that don't get it. They would rather lecture you with their own agenda rather than look into the true circumstances of the incident. Sure, I have to accept it as it is, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

I'm going to keep riding the way I do, it seems to have served me well so far. I will be more aware however that occasionally I will run into those individuals who would rather throw the book at you than evaluate the true circumstances.

I welcome any LEO's who may stumble upon this forum. They seem to focus on all the trouble makers out there, it would be nice for a change for them to see the other side. Most of the members here are very respectful riders and bring a good representation of what most motorcyclist truly are.

[JonJon]

:thumbsup: amen brotha!

[BlooDSMeaR]

It's not that I dislike police.....The only thing they have done for me is hinder my wallet.

Off the topic.
Last fall My home was broken into , I had thousands of dollars worth of stuff stolen or destroyed. Desk top, plasma tv, lap top, camara, tools ect. Then they ruined what they didn't take by pouring bleach in my 200 gallon salt water fish tank, slashing my king size water bed tagging the walls ect.... the police wasen't able to find who was responsible ...... I did a week later by pure acadent . I went into a pawn shop hoping to find some of my stuff. There a teen kid was trying to pawn off my guitar (the second I saw it I knew it was mine due to the stickers on it) I called the detective and followed him home. When the cops showed up all they gave me was my guitar .... He had my stuff in his apartment.the parent's there calmed that it was there stuff. Since I wasen't able to prove the items were mine. So the cops wouldn't do any thing about it. The teen age kids responsible were fined $1000 each for B&E and ordered $280 restitution to me..... They are still playing my wii on my plasma tv laughing there heads off ............ While I'm out a couple grand ......... Jee thanks court system................ Court got 3k (the three teens involved) out of it. I found the perps ,and all I was told was to take them to small clams and sue them.
Now you can understand my disappointment in the legal system. It's just to make money. And there is no justice in my case. And I still haven't gotten the $280.00

[KARRDICK]

It's not that I dislike police.....The only thing they have done for me is hinder my wallet.

They are still playing my wii on my plasma tv laughing there heads off ............ While I'm out a couple grand ......... Jee thanks court system................ Court got 3k (the three teens involved) out of it. I found the perps ,and all I was told was to take them to small clams and sue them.
Now you can understand my disappointment in the legal system. It's just to make money. And there is no justice in my case. And I still haven't gotten the $280.00

Vengence..

New movie... "Righteous Kill" Al Pacino, Robert Deniro.


http://www.moviefone.com/movie/righteous-kill/30163/trailer?trailerId=2138363

http://www.moviefone.com/movie/righteous-kill/30163/trailer?trailerId=2090109

[YamiR1]

easy solution, if it hasnt already been said. Dont post the location of the rides in your posts! its that easy.

[KARRDICK]

easy solution, if it hasnt already been said. Dont post the location of the rides in your posts! its that easy.

Better solution... post North, go South. Post South, go North. West --> East. East --> go West.

[KARRDICK]

easy solution, if it hasnt already been said. Dont post the location of the rides in your posts! its that easy.

Or post APB or BOLO for Repsol. You go ride R1.

[Big Kahuna]

easy solution, if it hasnt already been said. Dont post the location of the rides in your posts! its that easy.Better solution... post North, go South. Post South, go North. West --> East. East --> go West.Please...:rolleyes:

[Daisy]

OMG, wow. Thats all i can say is wow.

[Big Kahuna]

Or post APB or BOLO for Repsol. You go ride R1.Ironically, when I asked for a description from the airplane, the airman described my bike as a red R1. I looked at the officer and said, "huh, does this look like a red R1?", to which he said, "close enough." total ignorance right there. He should have taken a little more interests in the vehicle description as the pilot described the other bike perfectly. I'm surprised that he even gave me a ticket based on that description. Let's see if his "description" changes when we go to court.

[Big Kahuna]

OMG, wow. Thats all i can say is wow.This is in reference too???? :confused:

[//B*Doll//]

Really....That Is Funny:p

[BlooDSMeaR]

Bdoll your way to cute....

[BlooDSMeaR]

Vengence..

New movie... "Righteous Kill" Al Pacino, Robert Deniro.


http://www.moviefone.com/movie/righteous-kill/30163/trailer?trailerId=2138363

http://www.moviefone.com/movie/righteous-kill/30163/trailer?trailerId=2090109

I have to see this movie looks good.

[Ciner929]

Well, if the cops are reading are the forums, I'm sure that the Easter Bunny and Santa are too.....I'm gettin nuthin for Christmas......:evilgrin0013:

Who cares...........if they give me a ticket, it is my own DUMB fault:D